New M/B

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Colonel Blip

2007-04-23 14:31:37 UTC

Hello, All!

My ASUS A8V is possible on its last leg and I'm beginning to shop for
replacements of it and other pieces (CPU, etc.). I'm currently inclined to
replace the AMD Athlon64 3000+ with one of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips. My
setup currently includes to IDE HD's and a DVD and CD-RW on the two
available IDE connectors and 2 SATA drives (setup as RAID0) on the VIA
controller.

I'm not sure was CPU socket is required for an Intel chip and if ASUS even
makes anything like I will need. I definitely want to have to IDE slots (for
my 4 devices) and SATA connectors as well. I'm sure I will need to replace
the ram and my video card (AGP) so having an AGP slot is not required.

For those familiar with ASUS, do they make a m/b with these features and is
it any good?

p.s. my current system is overclocked slightly and a board that favors
overclocking would be nice but not a must.

Thanks,
Colonel Blip.
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Michel R. Carleer

2007-04-23 19:39:00 UTC

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The P5W DH does that.
This card is Crossfire ready, so if you need 2 video cards working in
parallel, you need ATI video cards.
The mobo proposed by Jack R is SLI ready, so it is for nVidia cards if you
need dual video.
But there are many others.
Go to the Asus web site and search for the boards with a 775 socket.
When you are more or less attracted by one particular mobo, go to the
download section of Asus and get the corresponding manual.
Michka

Post by Colonel Blip
Hello, All!
My ASUS A8V is possible on its last leg and I'm beginning to shop for
replacements of it and other pieces (CPU, etc.). I'm currently inclined to
replace the AMD Athlon64 3000+ with one of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips. My
setup currently includes to IDE HD's and a DVD and CD-RW on the two
available IDE connectors and 2 SATA drives (setup as RAID0) on the VIA
controller.
I'm not sure was CPU socket is required for an Intel chip and if ASUS even
makes anything like I will need. I definitely want to have to IDE slots
(for my 4 devices) and SATA connectors as well. I'm sure I will need to
replace the ram and my video card (AGP) so having an AGP slot is not
required.
For those familiar with ASUS, do they make a m/b with these features and
is it any good?
p.s. my current system is overclocked slightly and a board that favors
overclocking would be nice but not a must.
Thanks,
Colonel Blip.
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Colonel Blip

2007-04-24 15:21:50 UTC

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Hello, Michel!
You wrote on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:39:00 +0200:

Checked out a number of m/b's on Asus site and see that the P5W DH Deluxe
looks like just what I need (and then some). Do you have this board? If so,
any real positive or negatives about it that you have experienced?

Thanks,

Colonel Blip.
E-mail: ***@bigfoot.com

MRC> The P5W DH does that.
MRC> This card is Crossfire ready, so if you need 2 video cards working in
MRC> parallel, you need ATI video cards.
MRC> The mobo proposed by Jack R is SLI ready, so it is for nVidia cards if
MRC> you need dual video.
MRC> But there are many others.
MRC> Go to the Asus web site and search for the boards with a 775 socket.
MRC> When you are more or less attracted by one particular mobo, go to the
MRC> download section of Asus and get the corresponding manual.
MRC> Michka

MRC> "Colonel Blip" <***@bigfoot.com> wrote in
MRC> message news:***@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
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Michel R. Carleer

2007-04-24 16:46:36 UTC

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No problem up to now. I have it for about 1 month only though.
It seems of very good quality and I could reinstall all I had on my previous
mobo without a hitch.
I am not using any of these raid arrays or remote control stuff however.
Overclocking works like a dream, without even having to raise voltages. But
this has to do with the chipset and the CPU also, of course.
No negatives, it works like I wanted. But 1 month is not that much of an
experience, is it?

Michka

Post by Colonel Blip
Hello, Michel!
Checked out a number of m/b's on Asus site and see that the P5W DH Deluxe
looks like just what I need (and then some). Do you have this board? If
so, any real positive or negatives about it that you have experienced?
Thanks,
Colonel Blip.
MRC> The P5W DH does that.
MRC> This card is Crossfire ready, so if you need 2 video cards working in
MRC> parallel, you need ATI video cards.
MRC> The mobo proposed by Jack R is SLI ready, so it is for nVidia cards if
MRC> you need dual video.
MRC> But there are many others.
MRC> Go to the Asus web site and search for the boards with a 775 socket.
MRC> When you are more or less attracted by one particular mobo, go to the
MRC> download section of Asus and get the corresponding manual.
MRC> Michka
??>> Hello, All!
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DaveW

2007-04-23 22:39:10 UTC

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The Core 2 Duo capable boards that Asus sells generally only have one IDE
channel and so can only handle two IDE devices. The new motherboards have
generally committed to SATA drives.
--
DaveW

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Ron Krebs

2007-04-23 23:14:29 UTC

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Post by DaveW
The Core 2 Duo capable boards that Asus sells generally only have one IDE
channel and so can only handle two IDE devices. The new motherboards have
generally committed to SATA drives.
--
DaveW

He could hook up additional IDE devices external to the system via IDE to
USB external enclosures although there might be boot issues, so I'd go with
the optical drives with this method and save the internal IDE port for the
hard drives.

Ron

Michel R. Carleer

2007-04-24 01:26:56 UTC

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Wrong, the P5W DH has two IDE connectors. One with the Intel chipset and one
on a JMicron controller.
Michka

Post by Colonel Blip
Hello, All!
My ASUS A8V is possible on its last leg and I'm beginning to shop for
replacements of it and other pieces (CPU, etc.). I'm currently inclined
to replace the AMD Athlon64 3000+ with one of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips.
My setup currently includes to IDE HD's and a DVD and CD-RW on the two
available IDE connectors and 2 SATA drives (setup as RAID0) on the VIA
controller.
I'm not sure was CPU socket is required for an Intel chip and if ASUS
even makes anything like I will need. I definitely want to have to IDE
slots (for my 4 devices) and SATA connectors as well. I'm sure I will
need to replace the ram and my video card (AGP) so having an AGP slot is
not required.
For those familiar with ASUS, do they make a m/b with these features and
is it any good?
p.s. my current system is overclocked slightly and a board that favors
overclocking would be nice but not a must.
Thanks,
Colonel Blip.
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Barry Watzman

2007-04-24 00:13:18 UTC

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The problem that you are going to have is that I'm not aware of any
modern motherboards for Core 2 Duo that have dual IDE ports. The
motherboards have moved to SATA.

Never the less, that is the right way to go (e.g. Core 2 Duo), I'd
recommend the E6600, but the E6420 (a brand new variant just introduced)
is very good and a bit less money. All of the Core 2 Duos are socket
775 (aka socket T), and you want an Intel 965 or 975 chipset, in my
opinion. There are a bunch of southbridge chips, the low end products
have ICH8, the higher end products have ICH8R, and many of the
motherboards also have an additional RAID/IDE controller as well (since
none of the Intel chips has ANY IDE ports). This additional chip is
usually a JMicron chip, although some boards use other products.

Asus makes a number of boards that fit this description, and I'd also
recommend the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, which is also a very good board (a
bit lower end, but good lower end if you don't need a fancy on-board
RAID controller, and it's available for as little as $95 to $110, while
some of the high-end Asus boards are as much as $250). There is a
hidden menu on this board for overclocking, and it's actually regarded
as one of the very best boards for overclocking.

Post by Colonel Blip
Hello, All!
My ASUS A8V is possible on its last leg and I'm beginning to shop for
replacements of it and other pieces (CPU, etc.). I'm currently inclined to
replace the AMD Athlon64 3000+ with one of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips. My
setup currently includes to IDE HD's and a DVD and CD-RW on the two
available IDE connectors and 2 SATA drives (setup as RAID0) on the VIA
controller.
I'm not sure was CPU socket is required for an Intel chip and if ASUS even
makes anything like I will need. I definitely want to have to IDE slots (for
my 4 devices) and SATA connectors as well. I'm sure I will need to replace
the ram and my video card (AGP) so having an AGP slot is not required.
For those familiar with ASUS, do they make a m/b with these features and is
it any good?
p.s. my current system is overclocked slightly and a board that favors
overclocking would be nice but not a must.
Thanks,
Colonel Blip.
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007

2007-04-24 02:55:19 UTC

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The problem that you are going to have is that I'm not aware of any modern
motherboards for Core 2 Duo that have dual IDE ports. The motherboards
have moved to SATA.
Never the less, that is the right way to go (e.g. Core 2 Duo), I'd
recommend the E6600, but the E6420 (a brand new variant just introduced)
is very good and a bit less money. All of the Core 2 Duos are socket 775
(aka socket T), and you want an Intel 965 or 975 chipset, in my opinion.
There are a bunch of southbridge chips, the low end products have ICH8,
the higher end products have ICH8R, and many of the motherboards also have
an additional RAID/IDE controller as well (since none of the Intel chips
has ANY IDE ports). This additional chip is usually a JMicron chip,
although some boards use other products.
Asus makes a number of boards that fit this description, and I'd also
recommend the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, which is also a very good board (a bit
lower end, but good lower end if you don't need a fancy on-board RAID
controller, and it's available for as little as $95 to $110, while some of
the high-end Asus boards are as much as $250). There is a hidden menu on
this board for overclocking, and it's actually regarded as one of the very
best boards for overclocking.

Could you comment on MSI P965 Platinum board (2x PCIe x16)?

Barry Watzman

2007-04-24 03:14:37 UTC

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I had looked at that board and it was on my "short list", but I didn't
buy it and have no experience with it. I have personally used the Asus
P5B (now discontinued) and the Gigabyte board (GA-965P-DS3). Those two
boards are virtually identical in many regards, but what sold me on the
Gigabyte board for my own system was that it has a serial port in the
I/O shield area. At this time, personally, I have no use for PCI
Express other than for one single video card. I'm sure that will
change, but then I probably won't be using any motherboard that I buy
today 5 years from now.

Post by 007

Post by Barry Watzman
The problem that you are going to have is that I'm not aware of any
modern motherboards for Core 2 Duo that have dual IDE ports. The
motherboards have moved to SATA.
Never the less, that is the right way to go (e.g. Core 2 Duo), I'd
recommend the E6600, but the E6420 (a brand new variant just
introduced) is very good and a bit less money. All of the Core 2 Duos
are socket 775 (aka socket T), and you want an Intel 965 or 975
chipset, in my opinion. There are a bunch of southbridge chips, the
low end products have ICH8, the higher end products have ICH8R, and
many of the motherboards also have an additional RAID/IDE controller
as well (since none of the Intel chips has ANY IDE ports). This
additional chip is usually a JMicron chip, although some boards use
other products.
Asus makes a number of boards that fit this description, and I'd also
recommend the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, which is also a very good board (a
bit lower end, but good lower end if you don't need a fancy on-board
RAID controller, and it's available for as little as $95 to $110,
while some of the high-end Asus boards are as much as $250). There is
a hidden menu on this board for overclocking, and it's actually
regarded as one of the very best boards for overclocking.

Could you comment on MSI P965 Platinum board (2x PCIe x16)?

Phil Weldon

2007-04-24 00:35:20 UTC

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'Colonel Blip' wrote:
My ASUS A8V is possible on its last leg and I'm beginning to shop for
| replacements of it and other pieces (CPU, etc.). I'm currently inclined to
| replace the AMD Athlon64 3000+ with one of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips. My
| setup currently includes to IDE HD's and a DVD and CD-RW on the two
| available IDE connectors and 2 SATA drives (setup as RAID0) on the VIA
| controller.
|
| I'm not sure was CPU socket is required for an Intel chip and if ASUS even
| makes anything like I will need. I definitely want to have to IDE slots
(for
| my 4 devices) and SATA connectors as well. I'm sure I will need to replace
| the ram and my video card (AGP) so having an AGP slot is not required.
|
| For those familiar with ASUS, do they make a m/b with these features and
is
| it any good?
_____

Some 650i based motherboards have TWO IDE channels. Since this chipset is
not certified for a 1333 FSB, then it would not be a good choice for
overclocking E6 series CPUs. For motherboards that do not provide two IDE
channels there are two ways to continue to use your legacy IDE devices.
Either use an IDE controller (PCI) card to add two IDE channels or purchase
external IDE hard drive cases that use a USB attachment. But this may not
be the most economical choice, and is not the best choice for performance.
An IDE controller card is going to cost $25 US or more, and each external
IDE hard drive case with USB 2.0 attachment will cost at least $35 US. On
the other hand, a 250 GByte ATA hard drive (Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm 16
MByte cache) is only about $75 US. In addition, many motherboards may have
NO usable PCI slots when used with two nVidia 8800 series cards.

Phil Weldon

"Colonel Blip" <***@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:***@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
| Hello, All!
|
| My ASUS A8V is possible on its last leg and I'm beginning to shop for
| replacements of it and other pieces (CPU, etc.). I'm currently inclined to
| replace the AMD Athlon64 3000+ with one of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips. My
| setup currently includes to IDE HD's and a DVD and CD-RW on the two
| available IDE connectors and 2 SATA drives (setup as RAID0) on the VIA
| controller.
|
| I'm not sure was CPU socket is required for an Intel chip and if ASUS even
| makes anything like I will need. I definitely want to have to IDE slots
(for
| my 4 devices) and SATA connectors as well. I'm sure I will need to replace
| the ram and my video card (AGP) so having an AGP slot is not required.
|
| For those familiar with ASUS, do they make a m/b with these features and
is
| it any good?
|
| p.s. my current system is overclocked slightly and a board that favors
| overclocking would be nice but not a must.
|
| Thanks,
| Colonel Blip.
| E-mail: ***@bigfoot.com
|
|
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Jack R

2007-04-24 02:41:06 UTC

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FWIW, my ASUS P5N-E SLI has two IDE channels, and 4 SATA ports. With the
latest BIOS (0505) it supports 1333FSB.
Jack R

Post by Colonel Blip
My ASUS A8V is possible on its last leg and I'm beginning to shop for
| replacements of it and other pieces (CPU, etc.). I'm currently inclined to
| replace the AMD Athlon64 3000+ with one of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips. My
| setup currently includes to IDE HD's and a DVD and CD-RW on the two
| available IDE connectors and 2 SATA drives (setup as RAID0) on the VIA
| controller.
|
| I'm not sure was CPU socket is required for an Intel chip and if ASUS even
| makes anything like I will need. I definitely want to have to IDE slots
(for
| my 4 devices) and SATA connectors as well. I'm sure I will need to replace
| the ram and my video card (AGP) so having an AGP slot is not required.
|
| For those familiar with ASUS, do they make a m/b with these features and
is
| it any good?
_____
Some 650i based motherboards have TWO IDE channels. Since this chipset is
not certified for a 1333 FSB, then it would not be a good choice for
overclocking E6 series CPUs. For motherboards that do not provide two IDE
channels there are two ways to continue to use your legacy IDE devices.
Either use an IDE controller (PCI) card to add two IDE channels or purchase
external IDE hard drive cases that use a USB attachment. But this may not
be the most economical choice, and is not the best choice for performance.
An IDE controller card is going to cost $25 US or more, and each external
IDE hard drive case with USB 2.0 attachment will cost at least $35 US. On
the other hand, a 250 GByte ATA hard drive (Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm 16
MByte cache) is only about $75 US. In addition, many motherboards may have
NO usable PCI slots when used with two nVidia 8800 series cards.
Phil Weldon
| Hello, All!
|
| My ASUS A8V is possible on its last leg and I'm beginning to shop for
| replacements of it and other pieces (CPU, etc.). I'm currently inclined to
| replace the AMD Athlon64 3000+ with one of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips. My
| setup currently includes to IDE HD's and a DVD and CD-RW on the two
| available IDE connectors and 2 SATA drives (setup as RAID0) on the VIA
| controller.
|
| I'm not sure was CPU socket is required for an Intel chip and if ASUS even
| makes anything like I will need. I definitely want to have to IDE slots
(for
| my 4 devices) and SATA connectors as well. I'm sure I will need to replace
| the ram and my video card (AGP) so having an AGP slot is not required.
|
| For those familiar with ASUS, do they make a m/b with these features and
is
| it any good?
|
| p.s. my current system is overclocked slightly and a board that favors
| overclocking would be nice but not a must.
|
| Thanks,
| Colonel Blip.
|
|
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Colonel Blip

2007-04-24 01:26:28 UTC

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Thanks for all of the replies/suggestions. I was afraid that the IDE was
fast becoming extinct on m/b's. I'm off to the ASUS board for now to educate
myself on what they have. Looks like I will start watching sales for SATA
drives - my two IDE's are 'only' 80gb each so replacing them with even one
much bigger drive will be relatively inexpensive.

Thanks,

Colonel Blip.
E-mail: ***@bigfoot.com

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Thomas

2007-04-24 21:46:11 UTC

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Post by Colonel Blip
Thanks for all of the replies/suggestions. I was afraid that the IDE
was fast becoming extinct on m/b's. I'm off to the ASUS board for now to
educate myself on what they have. Looks like I will start watching
sales for SATA drives - my two IDE's are 'only' 80gb each so replacing
them with
even one much bigger drive will be relatively inexpensive.

Like Jack R said before, the Asus P5N-E SLI has two 'native' IDE ports. I
believe I read that this means that you won't have to load any troublesome
external IDE drivers during the Windows setup.

Regardless, I ordered a SATA DVD burner with my new PC. Those things cost
nothing anymore...

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