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A8N-E SATA drive won't boot on cold start
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m***@hotmail.com
2006-04-11 00:20:18 UTC
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My new rig consists of these parts:

Asus A8N-E mobo


2GB OCZ DDR 450 RAM


Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice Core)


Nvidia 6800GT


Seagate SATA II 300GB 7200.9


IBM 60GB IDE Deskstar


LG 8160B CD/RW



I've updated my BIOS to version 1011.004 (latest version) and set the
boot sequence to: floppy, hard drive, optical drive. (I can't find an
option to specify which hard drive to boot from--does this option
exist?).

All my drives are set to AUTO and are all recoginzed by the BIOS. My
SATA drive is plugged into port 1, and the IDE drive is set to Slave on
the Primary IDE channel. The CD writer is on the Secondary channel and
set to Master.

I should note, that Windows Disk Manger, the IDE drive as Disk 0, and
the SATA drive as Disk 1. Windows


My Problems:

When I cold boot the computer, the system initially tries to boot
from the IDE drive. I then get a no NTLDR error because the IDE drive
has no OS on it (just files). Rebooting yields the same results.
However, if I set the IDE drive from AUTO to NONE in the BIOS, the
computer boots from the SATA drive, and Windows XP recognizes both the
SATA partitions and IDE partitions.



Also, the IDE drive is deemed 'bad' by Partition Magic 8.01. PM
gives me a disk geometry error, and despite deleting my partitions and
re-formatting the drive, it still gives this geometry error. Windows
Disk Managment sees the drive as OK, and I can still access the files
on the drive.




My Questions:

Why do I have to hide the IDE drive to get the SATA drive to
boot? This seems wrong.


How do I solve the disk geometry problem?




Thanks in advance for the advice.
john
2006-04-11 01:04:24 UTC
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Boot to a DOS disk floppy or cd and run "fdisk" and make sure the partition
on the ide is not set to "active" if it is disable it. If there is only one
ide drive on the primary controller it should be set to master or cable
select not slave, setting it to slave serves no purpose. I had the same
problem and I corrected it by disconnecting the ide drive, booting to the OS
then shutdown, reconnecting the ide drive then rebooting.

good luck,
john
Post by m***@hotmail.com
Asus A8N-E mobo
2GB OCZ DDR 450 RAM
Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice Core)
Nvidia 6800GT
Seagate SATA II 300GB 7200.9
IBM 60GB IDE Deskstar
LG 8160B CD/RW
I've updated my BIOS to version 1011.004 (latest version) and set the
boot sequence to: floppy, hard drive, optical drive. (I can't find an
option to specify which hard drive to boot from--does this option
exist?).
All my drives are set to AUTO and are all recoginzed by the BIOS. My
SATA drive is plugged into port 1, and the IDE drive is set to Slave on
the Primary IDE channel. The CD writer is on the Secondary channel and
set to Master.
I should note, that Windows Disk Manger, the IDE drive as Disk 0, and
the SATA drive as Disk 1. Windows
When I cold boot the computer, the system initially tries to boot
from the IDE drive. I then get a no NTLDR error because the IDE drive
has no OS on it (just files). Rebooting yields the same results.
However, if I set the IDE drive from AUTO to NONE in the BIOS, the
computer boots from the SATA drive, and Windows XP recognizes both the
SATA partitions and IDE partitions.
Also, the IDE drive is deemed 'bad' by Partition Magic 8.01. PM
gives me a disk geometry error, and despite deleting my partitions and
re-formatting the drive, it still gives this geometry error. Windows
Disk Managment sees the drive as OK, and I can still access the files
on the drive.
Why do I have to hide the IDE drive to get the SATA drive to
boot? This seems wrong.
How do I solve the disk geometry problem?
Thanks in advance for the advice.
Chris Chen
2006-04-11 08:13:35 UTC
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Hi John,

According to Windows Disk Management, only the C:\ partition on my SATA
drive is designated as Active. So that's as it should be. I will try
switching my IDE drive to master on the primary channel.

thanks!
Natéag
2006-04-11 03:22:47 UTC
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I must say I have had that board and I was able to choose the bootdrive
in the BIOS - although I do not recall where that is set.
I could easily choose my IDE drive or the SATA ones.
I will see if I still have the manual.
I have since moved to the A8N-Sli Premium board.
Post by m***@hotmail.com
Asus A8N-E mobo
2GB OCZ DDR 450 RAM
Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice Core)
Nvidia 6800GT
Seagate SATA II 300GB 7200.9
IBM 60GB IDE Deskstar
LG 8160B CD/RW
I've updated my BIOS to version 1011.004 (latest version) and set the
boot sequence to: floppy, hard drive, optical drive. (I can't find an
option to specify which hard drive to boot from--does this option
exist?).
All my drives are set to AUTO and are all recoginzed by the BIOS. My
SATA drive is plugged into port 1, and the IDE drive is set to Slave on
the Primary IDE channel. The CD writer is on the Secondary channel and
set to Master.
I should note, that Windows Disk Manger, the IDE drive as Disk 0, and
the SATA drive as Disk 1. Windows
When I cold boot the computer, the system initially tries to boot
from the IDE drive. I then get a no NTLDR error because the IDE drive
has no OS on it (just files). Rebooting yields the same results.
However, if I set the IDE drive from AUTO to NONE in the BIOS, the
computer boots from the SATA drive, and Windows XP recognizes both the
SATA partitions and IDE partitions.
Also, the IDE drive is deemed 'bad' by Partition Magic 8.01. PM
gives me a disk geometry error, and despite deleting my partitions and
re-formatting the drive, it still gives this geometry error. Windows
Disk Managment sees the drive as OK, and I can still access the files
on the drive.
Why do I have to hide the IDE drive to get the SATA drive to
boot? This seems wrong.
How do I solve the disk geometry problem?
Thanks in advance for the advice.
Natéag
2006-04-11 05:09:28 UTC
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Go to page 2.6 of your manual.

You will find settings for

BOOT Priority : select HD as first boot device

At 2.63 you are offered the choice of
bootable drive. It can be IDE or SATA.

Beware if you have not chosen your system hard drive,
the computer will try to boot from the first IDE drive.

Same if you have a bootable CD in the CD drive and
you do not press a key to boot from it. It will
default to your first HD.

And finally if you want to install Windows to a drive
other than the first IDE drive, The first IDE drive will
be the bootable drive - but you will still have the
choice of installing on any other drive. But it won't
boot from that other drive, whether if is selected as
the bootable drive (see above) or not.. "NTLDR NOT FOUND "
Loading the install CD will make the computer default
to the first HD.
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've updated my BIOS to version 1011.004 (latest version) and set the
boot sequence to: floppy, hard drive, optical drive. (I can't find an
option to specify which hard drive to boot from--does this option
exist?).
Chris Chen
2006-04-11 09:42:27 UTC
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Hi Natéag,

Thank you for the info about Boot priority. I made the adjustments to
make my SATA the first hard drive to boot from.

I then tried to cold boot and during the POST, only the IDE drive was
recognized, and therefore the system tried to boot from the IDE. I then
hit CTRL-ALT-DEL, and this time the SATA was recognized, and everything
booted properly.

I also noticed that the BIOS notes my IDE drive as the Drive 1 and the
SATA drive as Drive 2 -- Windows also notes my IDE drive as Disk 0 and
the SATA as Disk 2.

How can I swap these assignments so that the SATA is Drive 1/Disk 0 and
the IDE is Drive 2/Disk 1?
Post by Natéag
Go to page 2.6 of your manual.
You will find settings for
BOOT Priority : select HD as first boot device
At 2.63 you are offered the choice of
bootable drive. It can be IDE or SATA.
Beware if you have not chosen your system hard drive,
the computer will try to boot from the first IDE drive.
Same if you have a bootable CD in the CD drive and
you do not press a key to boot from it. It will
default to your first HD.
And finally if you want to install Windows to a drive
other than the first IDE drive, The first IDE drive will
be the bootable drive - but you will still have the
choice of installing on any other drive. But it won't
boot from that other drive, whether if is selected as
the bootable drive (see above) or not.. "NTLDR NOT FOUND "
Loading the install CD will make the computer default
to the first HD.
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've updated my BIOS to version 1011.004 (latest version) and set the
boot sequence to: floppy, hard drive, optical drive. (I can't find an
option to specify which hard drive to boot from--does this option
exist?).
mmarien
2006-04-12 01:53:24 UTC
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"Chris Chen" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hi Natéag,

Thank you for the info about Boot priority. I made the adjustments to
make my SATA the first hard drive to boot from.

I then tried to cold boot and during the POST, only the IDE drive was
recognized, and therefore the system tried to boot from the IDE. I then
hit CTRL-ALT-DEL, and this time the SATA was recognized, and everything
booted properly.

I also noticed that the BIOS notes my IDE drive as the Drive 1 and the
SATA drive as Drive 2 -- Windows also notes my IDE drive as Disk 0 and
the SATA as Disk 2.

How can I swap these assignments so that the SATA is Drive 1/Disk 0 and
the IDE is Drive 2/Disk 1?

You can specify the boot drive as explained by Natéag, but the order of the
onboard drives always remains the same. I think it's because they are hard
wired on the mother board. If you add a couple of drives with a PCI card
(Promise TX100, etc), you can change the order of the drives by switching
the order of the PCI cards.

However that doesn't mean you can't label them how you want with Windows
Drive Manager. I usually call the CD drive R so that it doesn't keep
changing as I add partitions. The exception is the system drive. You need
second party utility to do that.
John Edmister
2006-04-12 12:24:35 UTC
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There is no option to boot from SATA drive in your bios, there IS however
the option to boot from a SCSI drive, which, SATA is. With that option set,
it doesn't matter how many IDE drives you have installed and weather they're
master or slave. The problem in which drive you boot from. You dont need to
mess with Fdisk, which, FYI if you DO mess with Fdisk with an NTFS drive <IE
Windows XP pro or home> You will be reinstalling all of your data, as fdisk
does NOT recognize NTFS petitions. Unless Microsoft came out with a new
version of Fdisk I'm not aware of. Last I knew, though Fdisk went the way of
Fat 16 and Fat 32 petitions.
Good luck, that should solve your problem though.

{SFU} Jackyl
--
Asus A8N-Premium
Enermax Liberty 550
AMD FX-57
2 GB OCZ PC3200
Seagate Baracuda 300 GB SATA II
XFX 7800 GTX 256
Post by m***@hotmail.com
Asus A8N-E mobo
2GB OCZ DDR 450 RAM
Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice Core)
Nvidia 6800GT
Seagate SATA II 300GB 7200.9
IBM 60GB IDE Deskstar
LG 8160B CD/RW
I've updated my BIOS to version 1011.004 (latest version) and set the
boot sequence to: floppy, hard drive, optical drive. (I can't find an
option to specify which hard drive to boot from--does this option
exist?).
All my drives are set to AUTO and are all recoginzed by the BIOS. My
SATA drive is plugged into port 1, and the IDE drive is set to Slave on
the Primary IDE channel. The CD writer is on the Secondary channel and
set to Master.
I should note, that Windows Disk Manger, the IDE drive as Disk 0, and
the SATA drive as Disk 1. Windows
When I cold boot the computer, the system initially tries to boot
from the IDE drive. I then get a no NTLDR error because the IDE drive
has no OS on it (just files). Rebooting yields the same results.
However, if I set the IDE drive from AUTO to NONE in the BIOS, the
computer boots from the SATA drive, and Windows XP recognizes both the
SATA partitions and IDE partitions.
Also, the IDE drive is deemed 'bad' by Partition Magic 8.01. PM
gives me a disk geometry error, and despite deleting my partitions and
re-formatting the drive, it still gives this geometry error. Windows
Disk Managment sees the drive as OK, and I can still access the files
on the drive.
Why do I have to hide the IDE drive to get the SATA drive to
boot? This seems wrong.
How do I solve the disk geometry problem?
Thanks in advance for the advice.
m***@hotmail.com
2006-04-12 14:40:34 UTC
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Alrighty... so I've set my BIOS boot order to go to SATA drive 1st, IDE
2nd. Saved that, rebooted and it worked perfectly.

I shutdown for the night (feeling good that the problem was solved) --
but when I cold booted today, the SATA drive wasn't recognized
initially - so I got a non system disk error.

I hit CTRL-ALT-DEL, this time the SATA was recognized but still the
same system disk error.

I hit CTRL-ALT-DEL again, this time I go into the BIOS to check the
boot order and find that it's changed back to boot to IDE first, SATA
second. So I switched it back to boot off the SATA and everything works
again now.

I've found that cold booting causes the BIOS to forget my boot order
and it returns the IDE to boot first.

Any fix for this or is my mobo defective?


thanks!
chris.
Post by John Edmister
There is no option to boot from SATA drive in your bios, there IS however
the option to boot from a SCSI drive, which, SATA is. With that option set,
it doesn't matter how many IDE drives you have installed and weather they're
master or slave. The problem in which drive you boot from. You dont need to
mess with Fdisk, which, FYI if you DO mess with Fdisk with an NTFS drive <IE
Windows XP pro or home> You will be reinstalling all of your data, as fdisk
does NOT recognize NTFS petitions. Unless Microsoft came out with a new
version of Fdisk I'm not aware of. Last I knew, though Fdisk went the way of
Fat 16 and Fat 32 petitions.
Good luck, that should solve your problem though.
{SFU} Jackyl
--
Asus A8N-Premium
Enermax Liberty 550
AMD FX-57
2 GB OCZ PC3200
Seagate Baracuda 300 GB SATA II
XFX 7800 GTX 256
Post by m***@hotmail.com
Asus A8N-E mobo
2GB OCZ DDR 450 RAM
Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice Core)
Nvidia 6800GT
Seagate SATA II 300GB 7200.9
IBM 60GB IDE Deskstar
LG 8160B CD/RW
I've updated my BIOS to version 1011.004 (latest version) and set the
boot sequence to: floppy, hard drive, optical drive. (I can't find an
option to specify which hard drive to boot from--does this option
exist?).
All my drives are set to AUTO and are all recoginzed by the BIOS. My
SATA drive is plugged into port 1, and the IDE drive is set to Slave on
the Primary IDE channel. The CD writer is on the Secondary channel and
set to Master.
I should note, that Windows Disk Manger, the IDE drive as Disk 0, and
the SATA drive as Disk 1. Windows
When I cold boot the computer, the system initially tries to boot
from the IDE drive. I then get a no NTLDR error because the IDE drive
has no OS on it (just files). Rebooting yields the same results.
However, if I set the IDE drive from AUTO to NONE in the BIOS, the
computer boots from the SATA drive, and Windows XP recognizes both the
SATA partitions and IDE partitions.
Also, the IDE drive is deemed 'bad' by Partition Magic 8.01. PM
gives me a disk geometry error, and despite deleting my partitions and
re-formatting the drive, it still gives this geometry error. Windows
Disk Managment sees the drive as OK, and I can still access the files
on the drive.
Why do I have to hide the IDE drive to get the SATA drive to
boot? This seems wrong.
How do I solve the disk geometry problem?
Thanks in advance for the advice.
LoB
2006-04-29 11:30:39 UTC
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Turns out it wasn't the motheboard at all! My SATA was faulty. Got me a
new drive, popped 'er in and everything works as it should!

SWEET

thanks for everyone's tips and suggestions.

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