Discussion:
RANT: FUCK I HATE PCS/WINDOWS/SATA/ASUS
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q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
2006-09-15 17:28:58 UTC
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Man I'm frustrated. I had a (new) SATA drive fail in my desktop. It
shouldn't be fucking rocket science to replace it, but it's caused me
more than a dozen hours of wasted time.

- After replacing the drive, the computer would no longer boot, due to
spontaneous reboots at the end of the POST. I've got 8 Hard
drives+1 cdrom, spread across the onboard SATA controller, the onboard
IDE controller, and a fasttrack ULTRA133 PCI card, all on an ASUS k8N.
I was able to get past the post by disabling some drives, but could not
get them all to work together. After much reading, I eventually concluded
the issue was bios-related, and spent many hours disabling/enabling various
combinations of bios functionality, with little change.

- Finally, I came across a single, dated reference to a similar issue, which
recommended ENABLING the on-board raid, but keeping it disabled for the
individual drives. To my surprise, the host is finally able to see all
drives and boot!

- But the battle's not over yet. Windows isn't booting now, remaining on
it's splash-screen, with the eternally moving color bar. Booting in safe
mode suggests a problem with "MUP.SYS" - A misleading "symptom" with 1000
causes. Booting to recovery mode, and reading the boot log points the
finger at "FastFat.sys" - An equally misleading indication. Just for
kicks, I disabled both from the recovery console, which, unsurprisingly,
didn't help.

- I've booted from CD, and done an installation "repair". I've booted to
the recovery console and tried it's various repair tools. Nothing has
worked.

- The bios on this Asus board SUCKS SHIT. I will not be buying another ASUS
board for many years. Abit always served me well, and for the life of me,
I don't know why I changed. Very tolerant, robust, boards, unlike ASUS.

- The fucking SATA cables that came with the K8N suck shit and keep falling
off of the drives. At first I thought this was a SATA issue, until I tried
a cable by another manufacturer, and it stayed on tight. Nice cheapass
ASUS cables.

- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced upgrades
that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE, and resent it
being phased out in favor of SATA.

- Windows fucking pisses me off. I'm not usually into Windows-bashing, but
what kind of a suck-ass OS becomes inexplicably unbootable when you change
(non-system) drives around? The diagnostics suck as well: There is limited
diagnostic information available, and even that is ambiguous, and can indicate
any of of 10000 causes. Other's experiences suggest myriad solutions
through the unplugging or replugging of various bits of hardware - A desperate
ritual of trial-and-error, reminiscent of cargo-cults, executed in the hopes
that the gods will deliver a working system.


I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for listening.

Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
Bob Day
2006-09-15 17:36:30 UTC
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I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for listening.
State your problem concisely without the foul language
and I might.

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alanm
2006-09-21 13:03:20 UTC
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I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for listening.
State your problem concisely without the foul language
and I might.
Blow it out your arse.
Allen
2006-09-21 14:16:44 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for
listening.
Post by Bob Day
State your problem concisely without the foul language
and I might.
Blow it out your arse.
Welcome to my killfile. You need remedial personality help.
Allen
alanm
2006-09-22 10:28:37 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for
listening.
Post by Bob Day
State your problem concisely without the foul language
and I might.
Blow it out your arse.
Welcome to my killfile. You need remedial personality help.
Allen
Blow your killfile out your arse.
Adam Corolla
2006-09-21 17:18:00 UTC
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I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for
listening.
Post by Bob Day
State your problem concisely without the foul language
and I might.
Blow it out your arse.
How trite. The modern expression is "Blow it out MY arse."
Opinicus
2006-09-21 18:11:25 UTC
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Post by Adam Corolla
How trite. The modern expression is "Blow it out MY arse."
Q: Do you really pronounce that word so that it rhymes with "loss", "toss",
and "Ross"?
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CBFalconer
2006-09-21 20:02:32 UTC
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I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for listening.
State your problem concisely without the foul language
and I might.
Blow it out your arse.
How trite. The modern expression is "Blow it out MY arse."
Have an iliectomy. Then you can bag it all.
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alanm
2006-09-22 10:35:53 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for
listening.
Post by Bob Day
State your problem concisely without the foul language
and I might.
Blow it out your arse.
How trite. The modern expression is "Blow it out MY arse."
BS

NoStop
2006-09-15 18:22:31 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Man I'm frustrated.
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced upgrades
that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE, and resent it
being phased out in favor of SATA.
- Windows fucking pisses me off. I'm not usually into Windows-bashing,
but what kind of a suck-ass OS becomes inexplicably unbootable when you
change
(non-system) drives around?
<snip>
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for listening.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
Here's my pat suggestion, although I'm constantly being attacked for
suggesting it around here. :-) Dump the toy operating system you're using
and move up to a real operating system!

http://www.ubuntu.com
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http://tinyurl.com/ldm9d
q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
2006-09-15 18:44:33 UTC
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Post by NoStop
Here's my pat suggestion, although I'm constantly being attacked for
suggesting it around here. :-) Dump the toy operating system you're using
and move up to a real operating system!
Your suggestion, although off topic and out-of-scope, has ocurred to me.
This box, however, is my only remaining Windows box, and migrating it to
Lunix will come with it's own challenges and limitations.

I'm really hoping to rebuild it to XP - But if I can't resolve this issue,
I'll really have no choice but to rebuild it as a Lunix box (Probably Suse
or Redhat/Fedora).

It still won't solve my BIOS/SATA/PC issues, and Lunix fucking pisses me off
too, but that's another story.
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Arno Wagner
2006-09-15 20:15:48 UTC
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Post by NoStop
Here's my pat suggestion, although I'm constantly being attacked for
suggesting it around here. :-) Dump the toy operating system you're using
and move up to a real operating system!
Your suggestion, although off topic and out-of-scope, has ocurred to me.
This box, however, is my only remaining Windows box, and migrating it to
Lunix will come with it's own challenges and limitations.
I would advise you to keep a PC with just a single disk oor two at
the most and all other hardware as simple as possible for Windows.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm really hoping to rebuild it to XP - But if I can't resolve this issue,
I'll really have no choice but to rebuild it as a Lunix box (Probably Suse
or Redhat/Fedora).
Two dostros I don't like. Have made bad experiences with both.
They try to emulate Windows too much.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
It still won't solve my BIOS/SATA/PC issues, and Lunix fucking
pisses me off too, but that's another story.
All OSese suck. Linux just sucks less ;-)=)

Arno
q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
2006-09-15 20:31:36 UTC
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Post by Arno Wagner
I would advise you to keep a PC with just a single disk oor two at
the most and all other hardware as simple as possible for Windows.
Probably good advice, but it's about 4 years too late ... This is my multimedia
server, with 1TB of video/multimedia, plus another 1TB for backup image.
Truthfully, it hasn't caused me that much trouble until this year. My last
Mobo (abit) died, and I had to replace it (requiring, of course, an OS
re-installation). I've had various growing pains since, and it hasn't been
that stable. I'm still holding onto the hope that I can get back to where
I was.
Post by Arno Wagner
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm really hoping to rebuild it to XP - But if I can't resolve this issue,
I'll really have no choice but to rebuild it as a Lunix box (Probably Suse
or Redhat/Fedora).
Two dostros I don't like. Have made bad experiences with both.
They try to emulate Windows too much.
Typically, Debian is my preferred poison, but I find I'm using a little
more deadrat and Suse professionally, so it makes sense to me to dirty
my hands with them.
Post by Arno Wagner
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
It still won't solve my BIOS/SATA/PC issues, and Lunix fucking
pisses me off too, but that's another story.
Lunix is definitely the OS I want with me when shit happens, but for day
to day, I prefer XP. Particulary for it's multimedia functionality,
which *I* find superior to Lunixes.
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NoStop
2006-09-15 20:39:03 UTC
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Post by Arno Wagner
I would advise you to keep a PC with just a single disk oor two at
the most and all other hardware as simple as possible for Windows.
Probably good advice, but it's about 4 years too late ... This is my
multimedia server, with 1TB of video/multimedia, plus another 1TB for
backup image.
Truthfully, it hasn't caused me that much trouble until this year. My
last Mobo (abit) died, and I had to replace it (requiring, of course, an
OS
re-installation). I've had various growing pains since, and it hasn't been
that stable. I'm still holding onto the hope that I can get back to
where I was.
Post by Arno Wagner
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm really hoping to rebuild it to XP - But if I can't resolve this
issue, I'll really have no choice but to rebuild it as a Lunix box
(Probably Suse or Redhat/Fedora).
Two dostros I don't like. Have made bad experiences with both.
They try to emulate Windows too much.
Typically, Debian is my preferred poison, but I find I'm using a little
more deadrat and Suse professionally, so it makes sense to me to dirty
my hands with them.
Post by Arno Wagner
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
It still won't solve my BIOS/SATA/PC issues, and Lunix fucking
pisses me off too, but that's another story.
Lunix is definitely the OS I want with me when shit happens, but for day
to day, I prefer XP. Particulary for it's multimedia functionality,
which *I* find superior to Lunixes.
You have to be kidding! My Ubuntu box is so much better with multimedia than
anything I've seen on a Windoze box. It just works. And of course, you can
move that main hard drive to any other Intel based box and it'll just boot
up and continue working.
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http://tinyurl.com/ldm9d
q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
2006-09-15 20:45:45 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Lunix is definitely the OS I want with me when shit happens, but for day
to day, I prefer XP. Particulary for it's multimedia functionality,
which *I* find superior to Lunixes.
You have to be kidding! My Ubuntu box is so much better with multimedia than
anything I've seen on a Windoze box. It just works. And of course, you can
move that main hard drive to any other Intel based box and it'll just boot
up and continue working.
Interesting. What about all of the bleeding edge AVI codecs that the latest TV
epsiodes so often come in?

I must confess, I'm kinda tempted... If the Computer Cargo Cult doesn't
deliver soon, perhaps I'll give it a shot.
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Alpha
2006-09-15 22:01:46 UTC
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Post by NoStop
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Lunix is definitely the OS I want with me when shit happens, but for day
to day, I prefer XP. Particulary for it's multimedia functionality,
which *I* find superior to Lunixes.
You have to be kidding! My Ubuntu box is so much better with multimedia than
anything I've seen on a Windoze box. It just works. And of course, you can
move that main hard drive to any other Intel based box and it'll just boot
up and continue working.
Interesting. What about all of the bleeding edge AVI codecs that the latest TV
epsiodes so often come in?
I must confess, I'm kinda tempted... If the Computer Cargo Cult doesn't
deliver soon, perhaps I'll give it a shot.
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It is real buggy. I tried it. Gook luck buddy.
q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
2006-09-15 22:05:55 UTC
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It is real buggy. I tried it. Gook luck buddy.
Truth be told, I don't expect more than the usual oversold Lunix Crap. I'm
foolish to think it will be anything other than what I've seen before.

I'd much rather get my XP box working.
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q***@yahoo.co.uk
2006-09-17 19:47:58 UTC
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Post by Alpha
It is real buggy. I tried it. Gook luck buddy.
Truth be told, I don't expect more than the usual oversold Lunix Crap. I'm
foolish to think it will be anything other than what I've seen before.
Agreed. . I'd help if I could but I don't use RAID. I did have a
Promise RAID card. Pissed me off!!

Linux pisses me off more than Win XP.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'd much rather get my XP box working.
try removing the RAID .. start again. See if it works without RAID

try win xp pe. It's like windows on a cd. Probably a better GUI than
linux uses! It's something.

Even on my simple systems, ive had problems with windows sometimes for
multiple reasons. IDE cable, windows cd corrupt somehow. Break it
down, test everything, note test progress on paper..

It sounds like you've got WAY too many variables
NoStop
2006-09-15 23:14:36 UTC
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Post by NoStop
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Lunix is definitely the OS I want with me when shit happens, but for day
to day, I prefer XP. Particulary for it's multimedia functionality,
which *I* find superior to Lunixes.
You have to be kidding! My Ubuntu box is so much better with multimedia
than anything I've seen on a Windoze box. It just works. And of course,
you can move that main hard drive to any other Intel based box and it'll
just boot up and continue working.
Interesting. What about all of the bleeding edge AVI codecs that the
latest TV epsiodes so often come in?
http://www.getautomatix.com/
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I must confess, I'm kinda tempted... If the Computer Cargo Cult doesn't
deliver soon, perhaps I'll give it a shot.
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http://tinyurl.com/ldm9d
h***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
2006-09-20 15:07:29 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Interesting. What about all of the bleeding edge AVI codecs that the
latest TV epsiodes so often come in?
http://www.getautomatix.com/
Based on your posts, I decided to give Ubuntu a shot. My experiences were
mixed, leaning to disappointment. The saving grace, however, was
automatix, which more than made up for my pain. I'll post a review to
comp.os.linux.advocacy in the next couple of days.

Thanks NoStop.
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Arno Wagner
2006-09-16 03:02:45 UTC
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Post by NoStop
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Lunix is definitely the OS I want with me when shit happens, but for day
to day, I prefer XP. Particulary for it's multimedia functionality,
which *I* find superior to Lunixes.
You have to be kidding! My Ubuntu box is so much better with multimedia than
anything I've seen on a Windoze box. It just works. And of course, you can
move that main hard drive to any other Intel based box and it'll just boot
up and continue working.
Interesting. What about all of the bleeding edge AVI codecs that
the latest TV epsiodes so often come in?
I must confess, I'm kinda tempted... If the Computer Cargo Cult doesn't
deliver soon, perhaps I'll give it a shot.
Except for a very small number of bizzare codecs, mplayer plays
essentially everything if you install the windows codec pack.
The only issue I have noticed is that skipping back or forward
in RealPlayer files breaks the image for some seconds.

Arno
p***@efn.org
2006-09-16 01:51:23 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
It still won't solve my BIOS/SATA/PC issues, and Lunix fucking
pisses me off too, but that's another story.
All OSese suck. Linux just sucks less ;-)=)
No. It just sucks differently :)
Arno Wagner
2006-09-15 20:11:52 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Man I'm frustrated.
<snip>
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced upgrades
that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE, and resent it
being phased out in favor of SATA.
- Windows fucking pisses me off. I'm not usually into Windows-bashing,
but what kind of a suck-ass OS becomes inexplicably unbootable when you
change
(non-system) drives around?
<snip>
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point. Thanks for listening.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
Here's my pat suggestion, although I'm constantly being attacked for
suggesting it around here. :-) Dump the toy operating system you're using
and move up to a real operating system!
http://www.ubuntu.com
--
Linux is ready for the desktop!
Well, not really. Still needs some expertise.
Post by NoStop
More ready than Windoze XP.
That definitely. Solving problems with a Windows installation
and keeping Windows secure and running is actually a lot more
difficult than Linux. They just seduce you with the pretty
pictures first, and then your hooked....

Arno
Pez D Spencer
2006-09-16 22:56:58 UTC
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Post by NoStop
Here's my pat suggestion, although I'm constantly being attacked for
suggesting it around here. :-) Dump the toy operating system you're using
and move up to a real operating system!
i'd appreciate it if you attributed that term "toy operating system" to
me when you use it. you should always properly attribute quotes to
those you get your quips from.

however, i was referring to os x when i coined that term.

linux is a hobbyist operating system.
Vic Smith
2006-09-15 19:47:30 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced upgrades
that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE, and resent it
being phased out in favor of SATA.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
I feel you pain, because I've read similar stories beforen and went
through the same type of crap in the autoexec.bat/config.sys
days pre-XP.
Sometimes it was fun solving the various problems, but I've outgrown
that and now incompatibilities would just piss me off.
Since usenet has become so useful, what I've done since is don't try
anything that isn't proven. On that note I've seen too many issues
mixing PATA/SATA/XP with ASUS boards. That may only because ASUS
is one of the popular board brands, or is just may be related to
engineering difficulty of making all the drive combos work with XP.
I don't care. I don't want to deal with it.
There are energetic bravehearts out there testing for us, and I am but
a follower of them.
My recommendation to you is to go with something that has been proved
to work. It seems you had a working setup with a SATA drive then
replaced it (same exact drive?) and now the setup won't work.
I would just reject that setup, and get on with my life.
If it cost me some bucks, I don't care. Life is short.
Personally, I picked up a 250gb SATA drive cheap to try it out on my
new ASUS MB, but after reading of issues with SATA (used as a boot
drive on that board), decided to just stay with the current 3 drive
PATA setup I currently have. Unless I am extremely curious one day
or one of my PATA drives fails, I've decided to use the SATA drive
when I go pure SATA on my next build.
So my bottom line is I won't mix SATA/PATA unless the preponderance
of evidence is that it works in almost the same hardware/software
config that I have.
Since you had this working before, you might get your setup to work
with a fresh XP install, but if the new drive is different than the
original, and if that fails to work do you want to risk the pain of
being back on square one?

--Vic
Damian
2006-09-15 19:59:19 UTC
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Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced
upgrades that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE,
and resent it being phased out in favor of SATA.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
I feel your pain,
I'm pretty sure his pain is from self-flagellation, surely you _don't_ feel
the same pain as the OP.

<snip useful stuff>
Vic Smith
2006-09-15 20:35:49 UTC
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Post by Damian
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced
upgrades that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE,
and resent it being phased out in favor of SATA.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
I feel your pain,
I'm pretty sure his pain is from self-flagellation, surely you _don't_ feel
the same pain as the OP.
That was just my Clinton impersonation (-:
But I've done those "can't get this damn thing to work" efforts
enough times to know where he's coming from. The difference
with self-flagellation is that you never start off with that intent,
but only realize that's what you've done when you notice the
blood dripping.
Hence my suggestion on how to avoid starting down that path.

--Vic
q***@yahoo.co.uk
2006-09-17 19:54:44 UTC
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Post by Damian
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced
upgrades that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE,
and resent it being phased out in favor of SATA.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
I feel your pain,
I'm pretty sure his pain is from self-flagellation, surely you _don't_ feel
the same pain as the OP.
<snip useful stuff>
you obviously haven't been around computer for long! or perhaps you're
one of the energetic ones.


I see where vic is coming from. I just differ on one point. I always
found autoexec.bat and config.sys a pleasure.. Except when fixing
somebody's computer over the phone.

How many problems were solved by changing from
emm386.exe NOEMS and emm386.exe RAM
Damian
2006-09-17 22:14:04 UTC
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Post by Damian
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:28:58 GMT,
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced
upgrades that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE,
and resent it being phased out in favor of SATA.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
I feel your pain,
I'm pretty sure his pain is from self-flagellation, surely you
_don't_ feel the same pain as the OP.
<snip useful stuff>
you obviously haven't been around computer for long! or perhaps
you're one of the energetic ones.
41 Years.
Post by q***@yahoo.co.uk
I see where vic is coming from. I just differ on one point. I always
found autoexec.bat and config.sys a pleasure.. Except when fixing
somebody's computer over the phone.
Screaming and cussing the product in a rant like his won't get any help from
most of the regulars in these groups; only derision and ridicule. I could
quite easily go through his problems and help him step-by-step... but I
won't.
Post by q***@yahoo.co.uk
How many problems were solved by changing from
emm386.exe NOEMS and emm386.exe RAM
Dunno. 6? 7? What does it matter?
relic
2006-09-17 22:19:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Damian
Post by q***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Damian
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:28:58 GMT,
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced
upgrades that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE,
and resent it being phased out in favor of SATA.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
I feel your pain,
I'm pretty sure his pain is from self-flagellation, surely you
_don't_ feel the same pain as the OP.
<snip useful stuff>
you obviously haven't been around computer for long! or perhaps
you're one of the energetic ones.
41 Years.
47 years here.
Post by Damian
Post by q***@yahoo.co.uk
I see where vic is coming from. I just differ on one point. I always
found autoexec.bat and config.sys a pleasure.. Except when fixing
somebody's computer over the phone.
Screaming and cussing the product in a rant like his won't get any
help from most of the regulars in these groups; only derision and
ridicule. I could quite easily go through his problems and help him
step-by-step... but I won't.
I agree completely.
Post by Damian
Post by q***@yahoo.co.uk
How many problems were solved by changing from
emm386.exe NOEMS and emm386.exe RAM
Dunno. 6? 7? What does it matter?
LOL
Damian
2006-09-17 22:23:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Damian
Post by q***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Damian
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:28:58 GMT,
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced
upgrades that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE,
and resent it being phased out in favor of SATA.
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
I feel your pain,
I'm pretty sure his pain is from self-flagellation, surely you
_don't_ feel the same pain as the OP.
<snip useful stuff>
you obviously haven't been around computer for long! or perhaps
you're one of the energetic ones.
41 Years.
Post by q***@yahoo.co.uk
I see where vic is coming from. I just differ on one point. I always
found autoexec.bat and config.sys a pleasure.. Except when fixing
somebody's computer over the phone.
Screaming and cussing the product in a rant like his won't get any
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 'rant like This' - the OPs rant, not
Vic.
Post by Damian
help from most of the regulars in these groups; only derision and
ridicule. I could quite easily go through his problems and help him
step-by-step... but I won't.
Post by q***@yahoo.co.uk
How many problems were solved by changing from
emm386.exe NOEMS and emm386.exe RAM
Dunno. 6? 7? What does it matter?
Arno Wagner
2006-09-15 20:03:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Man I'm frustrated. I had a (new) SATA drive fail in my desktop. It
shouldn't be fucking rocket science to replace it, but it's caused me
more than a dozen hours of wasted time.
- After replacing the drive, the computer would no longer boot, due to
spontaneous reboots at the end of the POST. I've got 8 Hard
drives+1 cdrom, spread across the onboard SATA controller, the onboard
IDE controller, and a fasttrack ULTRA133 PCI card, all on an ASUS k8N.
I was able to get past the post by disabling some drives, but could not
get them all to work together. After much reading, I eventually concluded
the issue was bios-related, and spent many hours disabling/enabling various
combinations of bios functionality, with little change.
- Finally, I came across a single, dated reference to a similar issue, which
recommended ENABLING the on-board raid, but keeping it disabled for the
individual drives. To my surprise, the host is finally able to see all
drives and boot!
- But the battle's not over yet. Windows isn't booting now, remaining on
it's splash-screen, with the eternally moving color bar. Booting in safe
mode suggests a problem with "MUP.SYS" - A misleading "symptom" with 1000
causes. Booting to recovery mode, and reading the boot log points the
finger at "FastFat.sys" - An equally misleading indication. Just for
kicks, I disabled both from the recovery console, which, unsurprisingly,
didn't help.
Nice. I never dared to give Winsows more than one HDD. ENough
problems with that... Never had problems with Linux and multiple
drives, I have as much as 12 in one server.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- I've booted from CD, and done an installation "repair". I've
booted to the recovery console and tried it's various repair tools.
Nothing has worked.
Matches some of my experience after changing hardware.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- The bios on this Asus board SUCKS SHIT. I will not be buying
another ASUS board for many years. Abit always served me well, and
for the life of me, I don't know why I changed. Very tolerant,
robust, boards, unlike ASUS.
Hmm. I found ASUS to be generaly reasonably well engineered. Rome
for improvement, but not bad.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- The fucking SATA cables that came with the K8N suck shit and keep
falling off of the drives. At first I thought this was a SATA
issue, until I tried a cable by another manufacturer, and it stayed
on tight. Nice cheapass ASUS cables.
_That_ is a new problem to me. They must have gone to the cheapes bidder.
Best throw these cables away.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced upgrades
that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE, and resent it
being phased out in favor of SATA.
Well, Theoretically SATA is better than IDE. In practice the controllers
are not compatible to the old IDE controllers (which they could have
been), so all new problems with new drivers written from scratch. I
also have the impression that SATA is not quite mature yet.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- Windows fucking pisses me off. I'm not usually into
Windows-bashing, but what kind of a suck-ass OS becomes inexplicably
unbootable when you change (non-system) drives around?
You know, this is why I call Windows a "toy". A professional
system would not give you this kind of failure. The Linux
experience (or xBSD, or other UNIX) is that as long as your
primary drive and the one with the OS on it is there, you
can boot. Yes, you might have to change some mount-points
and the like, but the basic system will work. You might even
have to tell the boot manager where you moved your OS disk,
but as soon as the OS is found it will boot.

Basically several experiences like yours had me move all
my work to Linux. I use Windows only for gaming.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
The diagnostics suck as well: There is limited diagnostic
information available, and even that is ambiguous, and can indicate
any of of 10000 causes. Other's experiences suggest myriad solutions
through the unplugging or replugging of various bits of hardware - A
desperate ritual of trial-and-error, reminiscent of cargo-cults,
executed in the hopes that the gods will deliver a working system.
What diagnostics?
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point.
Thanks for listening.
You are welcome.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
Sorry. Don't mistake Windows for a server OS? Don't use
Windows for anything mission critical, because it may just let
you down at a critical point?

Arno
Alpha
2006-09-15 23:34:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arno Wagner
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Man I'm frustrated. I had a (new) SATA drive fail in my desktop. It
shouldn't be fucking rocket science to replace it, but it's caused me
more than a dozen hours of wasted time.
- After replacing the drive, the computer would no longer boot, due to
spontaneous reboots at the end of the POST. I've got 8 Hard
drives+1 cdrom, spread across the onboard SATA controller, the onboard
IDE controller, and a fasttrack ULTRA133 PCI card, all on an ASUS k8N.
I was able to get past the post by disabling some drives, but could not
get them all to work together. After much reading, I eventually concluded
the issue was bios-related, and spent many hours disabling/enabling various
combinations of bios functionality, with little change.
- Finally, I came across a single, dated reference to a similar issue, which
recommended ENABLING the on-board raid, but keeping it disabled for the
individual drives. To my surprise, the host is finally able to see all
drives and boot!
- But the battle's not over yet. Windows isn't booting now, remaining on
it's splash-screen, with the eternally moving color bar. Booting in safe
mode suggests a problem with "MUP.SYS" - A misleading "symptom" with 1000
causes. Booting to recovery mode, and reading the boot log points the
finger at "FastFat.sys" - An equally misleading indication. Just for
kicks, I disabled both from the recovery console, which, unsurprisingly,
didn't help.
Nice. I never dared to give Winsows more than one HDD. ENough
problems with that... Never had problems with Linux and multiple
drives, I have as much as 12 in one server.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- I've booted from CD, and done an installation "repair". I've
booted to the recovery console and tried it's various repair tools.
Nothing has worked.
Matches some of my experience after changing hardware.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- The bios on this Asus board SUCKS SHIT. I will not be buying
another ASUS board for many years. Abit always served me well, and
for the life of me, I don't know why I changed. Very tolerant,
robust, boards, unlike ASUS.
Hmm. I found ASUS to be generaly reasonably well engineered. Rome
for improvement, but not bad.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- The fucking SATA cables that came with the K8N suck shit and keep
falling off of the drives. At first I thought this was a SATA
issue, until I tried a cable by another manufacturer, and it stayed
on tight. Nice cheapass ASUS cables.
_That_ is a new problem to me. They must have gone to the cheapes bidder.
Best throw these cables away.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced upgrades
that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE, and resent it
being phased out in favor of SATA.
Well, Theoretically SATA is better than IDE. In practice the controllers
are not compatible to the old IDE controllers (which they could have
been), so all new problems with new drivers written from scratch. I
also have the impression that SATA is not quite mature yet.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- Windows fucking pisses me off. I'm not usually into
Windows-bashing, but what kind of a suck-ass OS becomes inexplicably
unbootable when you change (non-system) drives around?
You know, this is why I call Windows a "toy". A professional
system would not give you this kind of failure. The Linux
experience (or xBSD, or other UNIX) is that as long as your
primary drive and the one with the OS on it is there, you
can boot. Yes, you might have to change some mount-points
and the like, but the basic system will work. You might even
have to tell the boot manager where you moved your OS disk,
but as soon as the OS is found it will boot.
Basically several experiences like yours had me move all
my work to Linux. I use Windows only for gaming.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
The diagnostics suck as well: There is limited diagnostic
information available, and even that is ambiguous, and can indicate
any of of 10000 causes. Other's experiences suggest myriad solutions
through the unplugging or replugging of various bits of hardware - A
desperate ritual of trial-and-error, reminiscent of cargo-cults,
executed in the hopes that the gods will deliver a working system.
What diagnostics?
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point.
Thanks for listening.
You are welcome.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
Sorry. Don't mistake Windows for a server OS? Don't use
Windows for anything mission critical, because it may just let
you down at a critical point?
Arno
Since my workplace removed Windows Server and installed Linux, there have
been 75% more software failures and email downtime.

Case closed.
Arno Wagner
2006-09-16 03:07:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alpha
Post by Arno Wagner
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Man I'm frustrated. I had a (new) SATA drive fail in my desktop. It
shouldn't be fucking rocket science to replace it, but it's caused me
more than a dozen hours of wasted time.
- After replacing the drive, the computer would no longer boot, due to
spontaneous reboots at the end of the POST. I've got 8 Hard
drives+1 cdrom, spread across the onboard SATA controller, the onboard
IDE controller, and a fasttrack ULTRA133 PCI card, all on an ASUS k8N.
I was able to get past the post by disabling some drives, but could not
get them all to work together. After much reading, I eventually concluded
the issue was bios-related, and spent many hours disabling/enabling various
combinations of bios functionality, with little change.
- Finally, I came across a single, dated reference to a similar issue, which
recommended ENABLING the on-board raid, but keeping it disabled for the
individual drives. To my surprise, the host is finally able to see all
drives and boot!
- But the battle's not over yet. Windows isn't booting now, remaining on
it's splash-screen, with the eternally moving color bar. Booting in safe
mode suggests a problem with "MUP.SYS" - A misleading "symptom" with 1000
causes. Booting to recovery mode, and reading the boot log points the
finger at "FastFat.sys" - An equally misleading indication. Just for
kicks, I disabled both from the recovery console, which, unsurprisingly,
didn't help.
Nice. I never dared to give Winsows more than one HDD. ENough
problems with that... Never had problems with Linux and multiple
drives, I have as much as 12 in one server.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- I've booted from CD, and done an installation "repair". I've
booted to the recovery console and tried it's various repair tools.
Nothing has worked.
Matches some of my experience after changing hardware.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- The bios on this Asus board SUCKS SHIT. I will not be buying
another ASUS board for many years. Abit always served me well, and
for the life of me, I don't know why I changed. Very tolerant,
robust, boards, unlike ASUS.
Hmm. I found ASUS to be generaly reasonably well engineered. Rome
for improvement, but not bad.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- The fucking SATA cables that came with the K8N suck shit and keep
falling off of the drives. At first I thought this was a SATA
issue, until I tried a cable by another manufacturer, and it stayed
on tight. Nice cheapass ASUS cables.
_That_ is a new problem to me. They must have gone to the cheapes bidder.
Best throw these cables away.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- SATA *PISSES ME OFF*. Forced updgrades piss me off, and forced upgrades
that don't work piss me off more. I was happy with IDE, and resent it
being phased out in favor of SATA.
Well, Theoretically SATA is better than IDE. In practice the controllers
are not compatible to the old IDE controllers (which they could have
been), so all new problems with new drivers written from scratch. I
also have the impression that SATA is not quite mature yet.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
- Windows fucking pisses me off. I'm not usually into
Windows-bashing, but what kind of a suck-ass OS becomes inexplicably
unbootable when you change (non-system) drives around?
You know, this is why I call Windows a "toy". A professional
system would not give you this kind of failure. The Linux
experience (or xBSD, or other UNIX) is that as long as your
primary drive and the one with the OS on it is there, you
can boot. Yes, you might have to change some mount-points
and the like, but the basic system will work. You might even
have to tell the boot manager where you moved your OS disk,
but as soon as the OS is found it will boot.
Basically several experiences like yours had me move all
my work to Linux. I use Windows only for gaming.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
The diagnostics suck as well: There is limited diagnostic
information available, and even that is ambiguous, and can indicate
any of of 10000 causes. Other's experiences suggest myriad solutions
through the unplugging or replugging of various bits of hardware - A
desperate ritual of trial-and-error, reminiscent of cargo-cults,
executed in the hopes that the gods will deliver a working system.
What diagnostics?
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
I'm pretty well outta fucking tricks at this point.
Thanks for listening.
You are welcome.
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Any suggestions or commiseration appreciated.
Sorry. Don't mistake Windows for a server OS? Don't use
Windows for anything mission critical, because it may just let
you down at a critical point?
Arno
Since my workplace removed Windows Server and installed Linux, there
have been 75% more software failures and email downtime.
Case closed.
That is stupid. You need to give the admins some time to get
used to the new system. Also you need to get Linux admins.
Windows admins often do not have to competence or willingness
to understand Linux.

Arno
Pez D Spencer
2006-09-16 23:57:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by NoStop
Here's my pat suggestion, although I'm constantly being attacked for
suggesting it around here. :-) Dump the toy operating system you're using
and move up to a real operating system!
i'd appreciate it if you attributed that term "toy operating system" to

me when you use it. you should always properly attribute quotes to
those you get your quips from.

however, i was referring to os x when i coined that term.


linux is a hobbyist operating system.
Angry American
2006-09-17 18:09:11 UTC
Permalink
Asus A8N-E here,

5X300 Gb SATA drives on a LSI MegaRAID 6 controller card in RAID5 config..
2X 74Gb Raptors using the onboard RAID 0. 2X Plextor SATA DVD burners. PC
Power and Cooling 510 PSU. Running for well over a year now no issues
whatsoever. Running Windows XP Pro and using system for redundant storage as
well as daily use business computer.

My suggestion is that your boot files were on a different drive than your
OS, and hence moving drives around moved your boot partition. The other
suggestion is that your PSU is not quite up to snuff or dying, and as a
result you are getting corrupt writes to your drives.

As to those that think Windows does not work well with multiple drives, you
just have to know what your doing, and where your boot files are located.

Dan
Post by q***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Man I'm frustrated. I had a (new) SATA drive fail in my desktop.
It shouldn't be fucking rocket science to replace it, but it's caused
me
more than a dozen hours of wasted time.
<snip>
a***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
2006-09-19 18:17:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Angry American
Asus A8N-E here,
5X300 Gb SATA drives on a LSI MegaRAID 6 controller card in RAID5 config..
2X 74Gb Raptors using the onboard RAID 0. 2X Plextor SATA DVD burners. PC
Power and Cooling 510 PSU. Running for well over a year now no issues
whatsoever. Running Windows XP Pro and using system for redundant storage as
well as daily use business computer.
My suggestion is that your boot files were on a different drive than your
OS, and hence moving drives around moved your boot partition. The other
suggestion is that your PSU is not quite up to snuff or dying, and as a
result you are getting corrupt writes to your drives.
As to those that think Windows does not work well with multiple drives, you
just have to know what your doing, and where your boot files are located.
Boot files are located on the boot drive, which hasn't moved. The issue is
that the OS becomes unbootable after other drives are moved/replaced.
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a***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
2006-09-19 18:41:49 UTC
Permalink
Well, I've *sort of* resolved the issue(s).

- I used a Knoppix CD to boot my system (Always useful to
repair/troubleshoot windows crap). It booted without trouble, but notified
me of journals/log corruption on a couple of my NTFS drives.

- A little more troubleshooting confirmed that it was these two drives that
were causing the boot to fail: By removing these two (data) drives, the
systen booted fine.

- I booted to the recovery console and did a chkdsk of the drives, but this
didn't resolve the issue. Next, I booted windows, and plugged in the drives
via an IDE->USB adapter. I was then able to mount the drives, and cleanly
unmount them. I powered down the system, hooked the drives back up to the
IDE bus, and it booted ok.

- What I want to know about this SUCK ASS OS is this:
Why did Windows not detect the "dirty" drives, and notify me.
Why did chkdsk not fix the problem.
Why was the issue not detected in the windows boot log?
Why was it necessary for me to employ third party hardware and
software to resolve what should be a very simple self-resolving problem.

- Having gotten this far, I decided to restore my IDE lineup to it's
original configuration, but it messed things up again. If I move the
CDrom from the Ultra-133 card to the Mobo, and put the drive back on
the onboard IDE bus, Windows again refuses to boot. I really don't get
it.

It's obvious that my suckass BIOS and suckass OS are very fragile, and need
things "just so" if they are to work, so I've got no choice but to leave it
like this, even if it means I can't readily boot off of CDROM if I want to.

I like windows - When it works. But when it doens't, it's a bitch to
troubleshoot. At least Lunix tells you what's bugging it.

There's hidden Irony here: Out of a sense of "doright", I actually paid
for this copy of windows, (the first time I've paid for a Windows OS),
instead of downloading one of the freely available copies. Now, I'm
actually sorry I paid for it.

Won't make that mistake again.
Dustbin Ko0k
2006-09-19 19:08:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by a***@salmahayeksknockers.edu
Well, I've *sort of* resolved the issue(s).
<sniped unread>

WHO CARES.
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